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Zaran Darkstar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.02 13:39:00 -
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I agree of course with the original poster and Kai Lai and all the other people that blame Vargur for what it is: Utter Crap!
I had also made a similar thread some days ago
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=666678
Problem is that you will have always to deal with some pestering fanboys that are totally ignorant but will spam the thread over and over using the most absurd arguments.
Some of these fanboys know in fact that they are ignorant but their goal is not to convince people that see the facts. They only try to create a diversion to "tune down" in this way the voices of reason. They roam these forums and what they try to do is kill any constructive critisism based on facts with absurd fanboy remarks. In the end of the day the message of the thread will be: half of people agreeing that (in our case) Vargur sucks but the other half of the post would describe it as a very good ship.Therfore the message CCP will get by all this will be that
"People are arguing between them about Vargur's usefullness others think it sucks others think it rocks. What do you think? Hm, half people like it half don't like it....... Leave it as it is! "
And this is the goal of all these fanboys. Covering the facts and discouraging more people to say their opinion trying to make them show up like whiners. Because the art in obscuring the bigest truth is to react no matter what you are saying. By trying to respond even with arguments that don't stand to reason you already start create doupts no matter what you say. It's an art also the politicians know very well.
So i have to tell to all these fanboys or just ignorant spammers: You should be ashamed of yourselves because you are really not helping this game to become better and in the end of the day you will suffer yourselves by that.
All in all the only thing Vargur can do better than the other T1 Minmatar Battleships is Looting/Salvaging!
Go download this little program and see for yourselves!
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Gripen/EFT2.4.1.zip
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Zaran Darkstar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.02 22:55:00 -
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Liang you are totally ignorant. You can't compair a ship's DPS wearing short range guns with one that wears long range ones. The long ranged ship is way more versatile in PvE. Period. Not even a 1 week noob would say that noncence.
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Zaran Darkstar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.03 01:02:00 -
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In fact i think you have missed the actual purpose of this whole thread that is actually to demonstrate these very limitations that make the ship worthless and untrustworthy for serious PvE considering as well the amount of skillpoints it needs to be flyied and the amount of isks it needs to be aquired. I am happy that you are able to realise at least the ships severe flaw in PG. And the purpose of this exact thread is in fact that CCP realise their mistake in ship design and make a few changes the simplest of which would be to reaise considerably the PG of the ship.
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Zaran Darkstar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.03 03:46:00 -
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Oh i think it is clear who is the one who is just trolling with random words strung together.
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Zaran Darkstar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.03 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zaran Darkstar on 03/01/2008 04:44:16
 Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zaran Darkstar
Oh i think it is clear who is the one who is just trolling with random words strung together.
ok. u win. ur uber and im sry and i rely didnt mean 2 hurt ur feelengs... but i reely don no wat u wunt fr me 2 say?
Your posts make obvious to all that you are tottaly ignorant on missions. The numbers you put mean nothing. You can't use barrage effectivly vs NPC's . It will cost a lot in amount of ammo and an ammo giving mostly explosive damage is counterproductive against most NPC's. Also most NPCs are trying to keep their distance from you. With an AB you won't be able to approach them as close you 'd like and if you try to reach them with your drones they ll gain aggro and be killed quickly. And also the expencive named modules you use could make any crappy ship look great so you don't make a point by all that. I know you love trolling these forums because it gives meaning to your miserable life but its time to make a change. Log in and play the game a bit too for a change you ll see you will get better in time to come. And who knows....maybe one day you may even realise how noob you were before and then who knows maybe you will even be sorry for the nonsences you have said and ask for forgivness. 
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Zaran Darkstar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.03 04:54:00 -
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Very well. Without Barrage you will drop further down in range. at 3+30 with max skills. Ypu won't be able to approach them at 30kms using an AB in a BS let alone track the smaller ships with your large ACs.
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Zaran Darkstar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.03 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Slide
Zaran Darkstar you made my day, i actualy had to laugh alot. You proved that there are people who react without even reading anything on the specific thread. Because what you are saying to Liang does not make any sense whatsoever, or maybe you accidently swapped Liang for someone else, yeah that must be it, even a troll can't be so much beside the point 
So bots do have a voice after all! Now whose alt are you?  I can;t understand why you people keep on defending this piece of crap. Unless you have some BPO of the ship and you feel your business might be ruined. Fact is that the market itself will react. People will not buy the ship and the few idiots that will buy it they will recycle it in the end to reduce the loss. Wait and see
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